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Thanks to Fr Henry for his more detailed treatment of the matter.
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What? Didn't he pay the Franciscans for the first funeral? How many funerals does he have to go through to be saved? If he wants standing as a king in the present day sense, London is worth an Anglican service.
The Canon Chancellor of Leicester Cathedral was on BBC News again today, smugly stating that the King will be buried within Leicester Cathedral following an "Ecumenical Service."
However, moves are afoot to have the funeral in York Minster - much more fitting for a Yorkist King, actually crowned there.
But, the most important issue concerns the Rite. It must be Catholic, and if the Sarum Rite is no longer permissable, then at least Tridentine.
The very thought of Richard, killed by the Tudor usurper Henry V11, being buried according to schismatic, or even heretical rites imposed on England by the Tudors is too disgusting to contemplate.
I don`t understand people who get passionate about the Stuarts as rightful kings of England given the usurpation of Henry IV and the Lancastrians.
If Richard was buried by the Franciscans his Requiem would have been according to the Roman Rite rather than Sarum. If he is buried in York then the Use of York would be appropriate
Establishing the appropriate liturgical forms for the re-internment of a defeated and deposed King 500+ years after the event is an interesting question.
Rubricarius where are you?
What would have been the appropriate English Rite for the place and time?
I think we can agree that Anglican liturgy would not be appropriate.
Equally inappropriate would be the Novus Ordo or the 1962 Missal.
Richard III was born in Northamptonhsire and died in Leicesterhire. His connection with York was no more than nominal.
How were Kings buried in England in the late 15th century? There must surely be some records or accounts of royal funerals.
But even Olivia Bland's estimable volume "The Royal Way of Death" only starts with Elizabeth I.
I agree with our esteemed blog host that with regard to the Stuarts. As it is highly likely there was some 'hanky-panky' going on towards the end of the Plantagenet dynasty the rival claims of succession of later Royal Houses do become highly questionable.
I also share Fr. MB's view that York rite would be the most appropriate if good King Richard's remains were to be re-interred at York Minster. However, I understand that the Minster have said they are not interested and want Leicester to have the honour. I certainly don't agree with the planned re-burial at Leicester - although the University's team deserve high praise for their discovery.
As Richard was King of England, albeit defeated, my own view is that he should be laid to final rest with the remains of his wife, Anne Neville, at Westminster Abbey. As the Abbey has spent millions on restoring and protecting the Great Pavement I doubt anyone there would be at all keen to see it dug through even for King Richard's sake. Therefore, if it were up to me HM would go to the Minster and have a York rite Requiem.
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What? Didn't he pay the Franciscans for the first funeral? How many funerals does he have to go through to be saved? If he wants standing as a king in the present day sense, London is worth an Anglican service.
The Canon Chancellor of Leicester Cathedral was on BBC News again today, smugly stating that the King will be buried within Leicester Cathedral following an "Ecumenical Service."
However, moves are afoot to have the funeral in York Minster - much more fitting for a Yorkist King, actually crowned there.
But, the most important issue concerns the Rite. It must be Catholic, and if the Sarum Rite is no longer permissable, then at least Tridentine.
The very thought of Richard, killed by the Tudor usurper Henry
V11, being buried according to schismatic, or even heretical rites imposed on England by the Tudors is too disgusting to contemplate.
I don`t understand people who get passionate about the Stuarts as rightful kings of England given the usurpation of Henry IV and the Lancastrians.
If Richard was buried by the Franciscans his Requiem would have been according to the Roman Rite rather than Sarum. If he is buried in York then the Use of York would be appropriate
Establishing the appropriate liturgical forms for the re-internment of a defeated and deposed King 500+ years after the event is an interesting question.
Rubricarius where are you?
What would have been the appropriate English Rite for the place and time?
I think we can agree that Anglican liturgy would not be appropriate.
Equally inappropriate would be the Novus Ordo or the 1962 Missal.
Richard III was born in Northamptonhsire and died in Leicesterhire. His connection with York was no more than nominal.
How were Kings buried in England in the late 15th century? There must surely be some records or accounts of royal funerals.
But even Olivia Bland's estimable volume "The Royal Way of Death" only starts with Elizabeth I.
William Courtenay,
I agree with our esteemed blog host that with regard to the Stuarts. As it is highly likely there was some 'hanky-panky' going on towards the end of the Plantagenet dynasty the rival claims of succession of later Royal Houses do become highly questionable.
I also share Fr. MB's view that York rite would be the most appropriate if good King Richard's remains were to be re-interred at York Minster. However, I understand that the Minster have said they are not interested and want Leicester to have the honour. I certainly don't agree with the planned re-burial at Leicester - although the University's team deserve high praise for their discovery.
As Richard was King of England, albeit defeated, my own view is that he should be laid to final rest with the remains of his wife, Anne Neville, at Westminster Abbey. As the Abbey has spent millions on restoring and protecting the Great Pavement I doubt anyone there would be at all keen to see it dug through even for King Richard's sake. Therefore, if it were up to me HM would go to the Minster and have a York rite Requiem.
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