Good point. So far it is only used on Sundays. We could have had it out but there was a lot to think about and it got overlooked. At the moment it falls to me to move them into position after the sign of peace. I need to create a ministry of prie dieu mover.
I think the photos clearly show how unsuitable the tiny postage-stamp 'sanctuary' is. Surely 'mental bells' should be ringing when the concelebrating ministers have to sit with the congregation. Did they manage to stand on the sanctuary for the Eucharistic Prayer, or was that not possible?
You don't need a prie dieu. Have people line up along the edge of the sanctuary. Those who want to stand can stand, and those who want to kneel can kneel on the bottom step. Folk who want to kneel and have difficulty kneeling without support are helped by the person nearest to them. There's much less kerfuffle around Communion this way, and people don't have to come out row by row like Methodists and form a Holy Queue , there's no pressure on folk who don't want to go up for Communion, or those who decide at the last minute that they will go up, etc etc. In fact, there are no bad sides to the arrangement whatsoever.
(This is what they do at the parish I moved into four years ago, and I can't believe it isn't done everywhere.)
Suggestion: Why don't you get the structural (?) pillaster between the icons painted gold to provide visual unity? As it is the white breaks up the effect, to my eye at least.
Not exactly on topic, Father, but quite germane to the current discord in the Church, for example disgruntled priests in Ireland, Austria, Germany and even in our own country.
A comment from 24 December 1545:
"I see and hear daily of you of the clergy who preach one against another; teach contrary to one another; inveigh one against another,without charity or discretion...All men almost be in variety and discord and few or none preach truly and sincerely the word of God, according as they ought to. Alas! How can the poor souls live in concord when you preachers sow amongst them in your sermons debate and discord? To you, they look for light and you bring them darkness. Amend these crimes, I exhort you and set God's word both in true preaching and good example giving."
Surely the sort of call for orthodoxy and obedience to ecclesiatical authority that we could all support.
Who gave this call to clerical unity, and to setting a good example to the People of God?
The occasion was the Prorogation of Parliament in the House of Lords, December 24 1545, the speaker?
The Head and Supreme Governor, under God, of the Church in England, King Henry V111.
RE: Just a thought. How many times is there more than one priest on the Altar these days this was an extraordinary celebration. I am sure the concelebrating priests had no problem with sitting alongside the congregation and why should they we are all one in God's eyes, though obviously not in yours. Get a life.
Loved the photos. The icons look superb. Have read about an eighth of the sermon and am enjoying it, not only for having loved visiting Assissi but for its eloquence. Will read the rest when I am not supposed to be working.
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Where was the prie dieu?
Good point. So far it is only used on Sundays. We could have had it out but there was a lot to think about and it got overlooked. At the moment it falls to me to move them into position after the sign of peace. I need to create a ministry of prie dieu mover.
Good strong altar server(s) required!
I think the photos clearly show how unsuitable the tiny postage-stamp 'sanctuary' is. Surely 'mental bells' should be ringing when the concelebrating ministers have to sit with the congregation. Did they manage to stand on the sanctuary for the Eucharistic Prayer, or was that not possible?
You don't need a prie dieu. Have people line up along the edge of the sanctuary. Those who want to stand can stand, and those who want to kneel can kneel on the bottom step. Folk who want to kneel and have difficulty kneeling without support are helped by the person nearest to them. There's much less kerfuffle around Communion this way, and people don't have to come out row by row like Methodists and form a Holy Queue , there's no pressure on folk who don't want to go up for Communion, or those who decide at the last minute that they will go up, etc etc. In fact, there are no bad sides to the arrangement whatsoever.
(This is what they do at the parish I moved into four years ago, and I can't believe it isn't done everywhere.)
Suggestion: Why don't you get the structural (?) pillaster between the icons painted gold to provide visual unity? As it is the white breaks up the effect, to my eye at least.
Not exactly on topic, Father, but quite germane to the current discord in the Church, for example disgruntled priests in Ireland, Austria, Germany and even in our own country.
A comment from 24 December 1545:
"I see and hear daily of you of the clergy who preach one against another; teach contrary to one another; inveigh one against another,without charity or discretion...All men almost be in variety and discord and few or none preach truly and sincerely the word of God, according as they ought to. Alas! How can the poor souls live in concord when you preachers sow amongst them in your sermons debate and discord? To you, they look for light and you bring them darkness. Amend these crimes, I exhort you and set God's word both in true preaching and good example giving."
Surely the sort of call for orthodoxy and obedience to ecclesiatical authority that we could all support.
Who gave this call to clerical unity, and to setting a good example to the People of God?
The occasion was the Prorogation of Parliament in the House of Lords, December 24 1545, the speaker?
The Head and Supreme Governor, under God, of the Church in England, King Henry V111.
Congratulations Father on your parish's jubilee.
RE: Just a thought.
How many times is there more than one priest on the Altar these days this was an extraordinary celebration. I am sure the concelebrating priests had no problem with sitting alongside the congregation and why should they we are all one in God's eyes, though obviously not in yours.
Get a life.
Do methodists queue up for communion? I didn't think they did. I thought they sat in their seats. Anyway....
Loved the photos. The icons look superb. Have read about an eighth of the sermon and am enjoying it, not only for having loved visiting Assissi but for its eloquence. Will read the rest when I am not supposed to be working.
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