tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post3930169050852883098..comments2023-10-18T14:53:28.622+01:00Comments on Forest Murmurs: Latin Mass Society Full-Time General ManagerFr Michael Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-33931460348585699032010-02-14T10:08:22.861+00:002010-02-14T10:08:22.861+00:00It is extremely unlikely that neither Joseph Shaw,...It is extremely unlikely that neither Joseph Shaw, Simon Platt or myself would ever wish to meet for a social drink and chat; well, I certainly wouldn't! I shall therefore make no further contribution to this thread (sorry to disapoint you, Anonymous!)except to say that my remarks about LMS members attending NO Masses was nothing other than fact: in way could my remark be construed as implying there was something odd in them doing so. I find it sad that Mr Pratt should make such an effort to read something that was not said.ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-78853616542707700202010-02-11T09:25:11.997+00:002010-02-11T09:25:11.997+00:00How exciting! Almost the level of vitriol one fin...How exciting! Almost the level of vitriol one finds on Rorate Caeli or NLM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-15902005940069729662010-02-08T18:28:55.044+00:002010-02-08T18:28:55.044+00:00What on earth are you on about, Mr Platt?
I don...What on earth are you on about, Mr Platt?<br />I don't know you either but I can tell you that I have been active in the traditional movement for 32 years.ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-51547002638479402122010-02-07T22:14:20.255+00:002010-02-07T22:14:20.255+00:00Dear "Sceptical Believer",
Please withd...Dear "Sceptical Believer",<br /><br />Please withdraw. For your own sake if nothing else. You've made a fool of yourself. And now you're only making it worse. Of course I have no idea who you are. But others might.Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-24502915529053791722010-02-07T21:24:31.664+00:002010-02-07T21:24:31.664+00:00Mr Shaw, would you like to define what you conside...Mr Shaw, would you like to define what you consider to be "Traditional circles"? Is there one "entire group of people" you could name to represent them all? There are quite a few extremists out there - or hadn’t you noticed?<br />Yes, you quoted my exact words but choose to interpret them as you wished to. My words said "not quite equal to men", not "suppressed or scorned" although there are certainly many examples showing how women are regarded as inferior by many (not all!) traditionalists.<br />And, yes, perhaps a sense of humour might make your life easier.<br />I feel saddened that Simon Pratt also is apparently incapable of reading what others have written without making any attempt to understand -or, rather worse, to concoct something which bears absolutely no resemblence to the facts.ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-52942972485201305292010-02-07T21:17:17.137+00:002010-02-07T21:17:17.137+00:00Simon Platt is quite correct in signing himself &#...Simon Platt is quite correct in signing himself 'Yours pompously'.ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-56781031656860063712010-02-07T17:33:28.573+00:002010-02-07T17:33:28.573+00:00I'm afraid Joseph Shaw is quite correct. &quo...I'm afraid Joseph Shaw is quite correct. "Sceptical believer"'s snide comments were simply scurrilous. He implied, for example, that there's something odd in LMS members assisting at ordinary form masses. Certainly he thinks it remarkable. And then he did, quite blatantly, trot out that clichéd calumny of misogyny. And he seems proud of it.<br /><br />And no, it wasn't remotely funny, nor does he give any impression of humorous intent. Certainly, he seems not to care whether he causes offence.<br /><br />Mind you, I trust that he has not damaged the reputation of the LMS or of any of its officers, past or present, because his comments were clearly ill judged and unsupported. They were certainly neither fair-minded nor credible, and reflect very badly on himself.<br /><br />Yours pompously, etc.Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-49118471884785690342010-02-07T15:26:06.511+00:002010-02-07T15:26:06.511+00:00Sceptical Believer, I quoted your exact words. If ...Sceptical Believer, I quoted your exact words. If you think characterising an entire group of people as misogynists is less serious than making the same accusation of one or two individuals, heaven help you.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-56519607102101768102010-02-07T12:35:12.947+00:002010-02-07T12:35:12.947+00:00Maybe Scepticalbeliever was a wee bit 'tongue ...Maybe Scepticalbeliever was a wee bit 'tongue in cheek'? Get a sense of humour, Joe!Canny Ladnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-68506472702966606352010-02-07T12:10:11.727+00:002010-02-07T12:10:11.727+00:00Dr Shaw, you choose to misreprsent what I said, wh...Dr Shaw, you choose to misreprsent what I said, which was: "somehow I still think women are not quite equal to men in Traditional circles". I named no one, it was a general comment and I do not "like to make extremely rude and damaging allegations about people without bothering to ask yourself if they are true." However, that remark of yours is insu;ting to me.ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-59892556701208191962010-02-07T09:39:18.520+00:002010-02-07T09:39:18.520+00:00Sceptical Believer tells us: "Problem is you ...Sceptical Believer tells us: "Problem is you are a woman and somehow I still think women are not quite equal to men in Traditional circles."<br /><br />It will no doubt amaze you, SB, to hear that the LMS was run for many years by a very stong-minded member of the fairer sex, Sue Coote. She was the leading force of the LMS for a whole generation of trads. CIEL UK was founded and for a long time run by another woman, Nicky Hall, who was a longstanding member of the LMS Committee. At present, the LMS equivalent in Germany, Pro Missa Tridentina, is run by the formidable Monika Rheinschmitt.<br /><br />It seems to me, Sceptical Believer, that you like to make extremely rude and damaging allegations about people without bothering to ask yourself if they are true. This doesn't seem a very Christian approach. But perhaps you know better than me.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-51496433885141009062010-02-07T06:16:50.744+00:002010-02-07T06:16:50.744+00:00Sceptical Believer - what has the size of the LMS ...Sceptical Believer - what has the size of the LMS membership got to do with the workload of the LMS office staff? Do you imagine all we do is service the members? <br /><br />That idea is really quite funny. Posting out a quarterly mag and organising the AGM - yeah sure that wouldn't take two full time and two part time staff.<br /><br />You may not have noticed, but the LMS organises about 20 annual pilgrimages around the country every year, and countless local Masses and other events, in conjunction with three dozen local representatives. There is usually a pilgrimage abroad as well. We organise a Confirmation service each year in London, a national Day of Recollection, and two priest training conferences. The staff do this while answering hundreds of enquiries by phone and email; our website, much in need of development, gets 700 hits a day from all over the world. We have rolling lists of hundreds of Masses and other events on the website, which are selectively advertised in the Catholic press.<br /><br />Every two years we participate in a meeting of the International Una Voce Federation, for which lengthy reports of the situation in England and Wales, collating information from all over the country, are needed.<br /><br />We have plans to do a lot more than we are currently doing: as I explained in my speech to the AGM last Summer, in addition to priest training we need to become involved in Gregorian Chant Training, and the training of altar servers and MCs. To facilitate our expanded activities, we have moved to a bigger office, and are undertaking a revision of our constitution. A new website will be going live in a few weeks; after that the magazine needs to be revamped.<br /><br />If you could do all this just on your own, without any help, you may be just the person we are looking for!Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-33695534846079519762010-02-06T19:32:06.205+00:002010-02-06T19:32:06.205+00:00Miriam, if you got the job you could claim travell...Miriam, if you got the job you could claim travelling and Monday-Friday accomodation (you could imagine yourself as an M.P.!). Problem is you are a woman and somehow I still think women are not quite equal to men in Traditional circles. So, you might not get the job!ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-17469580275925982612010-02-06T15:42:35.079+00:002010-02-06T15:42:35.079+00:00I didn't know that you advertised jobs on your...I didn't know that you advertised jobs on your blog - I should visit it more often. I quite fancy the look of the post myself - bit of a commute from Hull, though!Miriamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-64432429923968271572010-02-06T12:14:32.825+00:002010-02-06T12:14:32.825+00:00Sceptical Believer - my thoughts entirely. However...Sceptical Believer - my thoughts entirely. However, I expect plausible explanations will be given.Athanasiusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-50835677410501351182010-02-05T17:12:56.516+00:002010-02-05T17:12:56.516+00:00I hope that he isn't? We need him here.
A ful...I hope that he isn't? We need him here.<br /><br />A full-time manager (complemented by two other staff) for a society of (I believe) somewhat less than 4000 members is difficult to understand. What is he to do all day? <br /><br />I suggest that the overwhelming number of LMS members never do anything more than pay their subs, go to Mass (not always to the Traditional Mass!) and read Mass of Ages. In other words, they give no work to the staff in London.ScepticalBelievernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-30467826376593457102010-02-05T14:08:40.129+00:002010-02-05T14:08:40.129+00:00Are you going to apply, Father?Are you going to apply, Father?a musiciannoreply@blogger.com