tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post6251134892972373814..comments2023-10-18T14:53:28.622+01:00Comments on Forest Murmurs: Lost AntiphonsFr Michael Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-19382755325673846352010-12-11T20:08:19.863+00:002010-12-11T20:08:19.863+00:00But it's in Latin. What's with the Latin? ...But it's in Latin. What's with the Latin? Blimey, you might as well have it in Swahili. I think I'll stick to the official floppy version. It's twattier and easier to follow, all in nice CBBC English, if I could be arsed.<br /><br />Yours in floppiness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-50587351373048832982010-11-11T16:57:36.913+00:002010-11-11T16:57:36.913+00:00Fr Floppery, on the slight chance that your commen...Fr Floppery, on the slight chance that your comment is not a complete wind-up, try loooking at <a href="http://divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl" rel="nofollow">Divinum Officium</a>Fr Michael Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-82114858222995390782010-11-11T16:25:51.689+00:002010-11-11T16:25:51.689+00:00Hello. I,too, am new to the traditional breviary. ...Hello. I,too, am new to the traditional breviary. Isn't the office something you work in? Buggered if I could find the minor horrors, and what are antiphons? Yours in confusion, Father Floppery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-41027354176506826142010-01-04T16:15:31.316+00:002010-01-04T16:15:31.316+00:00Ah, now I understand - Offices and Hours.
'...Ah, now I understand - Offices and Hours. <br /><br />'Little Hours', 'Lesser Hours', <i>Horae Minorae</i> being the generic term for Prime, Terce, Sext, None and Compline distinguishing them from the 'Greater' or 'Major' hours of Vespers, Mattins and Lauds.<br /><br />All, quite correctly, can be referred to individually as Offices as you indeed suggest, them all forming the Office.<br /><br />Then we can talk of the ferial Office, festal Office and Dominical Office and in 1962-speak the semi-festal Office.<br /><br />Try Hausmann - you would find that very useful I suggest.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-15501177305271660832009-12-30T08:22:12.327+00:002009-12-30T08:22:12.327+00:00Oh well, I`ve just noticed in my 1962 breviary a r...Oh well, I`ve just noticed in my 1962 breviary a reference to the `horas minores` too. I probably should have said `minor hours` or `little hours` but I thought it was ok to say `offices` as people talk about the office of Terce or None.Fr Michael Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-70960338930917743252009-12-29T10:26:16.329+00:002009-12-29T10:26:16.329+00:00Join this group Father and you will find it very i...Join this group Father and you will find it very informative and helpful<br /><br />TheRomanBreviaryGroup@yahoogroups.com<br /><br />Regards, KennethKenneth Mileshttp://kmiles.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-6126135790937660442009-12-29T10:03:26.739+00:002009-12-29T10:03:26.739+00:00Rubricarius: he means the Little Hours. I do not l...Rubricarius: he means the Little Hours. I do not like to weigh in, but I really feel you ought to stop lecturing Father. Besides, the Breviaries he has are perfectly good; I have the same set, and they are the best available of the 1962 authorised ones. (Yes, recall, for the clergy: it would be '62 or later, nowt else...)<br /><br />My apologies, Father.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-37187639445237111472009-12-29T08:25:32.987+00:002009-12-29T08:25:32.987+00:00Sorry Rubricarius but I was brought up on the Litu...Sorry Rubricarius but I was brought up on the Liturgy of the Hours. In the Institutio Generalis n.76 you will see a reference to Terce, Sext, and None as the Horae minores. I was including Prime in these too. Does that clarify it for you?Fr Michael Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-64699393998814349572009-12-28T20:07:04.185+00:002009-12-28T20:07:04.185+00:00But the Vigil of the Nativity is hardly a "mi...But the Vigil of the Nativity is hardly a "minor office". In fact I don't actually understand what you mean by a minor office.<br /><br />My advice would be to find someone, say for example a judge or some such professional, to buy you a better set of Breviaries as a Christmas present!Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-48141527890264044932009-12-28T16:28:40.792+00:002009-12-28T16:28:40.792+00:00Ah, Father; he's being too hard on you. So wha...Ah, Father; he's being too hard on you. So what if you didn't know... :DMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-20314168557512678932009-12-28T15:42:19.903+00:002009-12-28T15:42:19.903+00:00Rubricarius, I look forward to trying your quiz.
...Rubricarius, I look forward to trying your quiz.<br /><br />The antiphons may very well be in the office of the day when they are proper but I wasn`t aware that the antiphons of Lauds are used for the minor offices. Now I knowFr Michael Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-58545361663363581582009-12-28T15:20:15.666+00:002009-12-28T15:20:15.666+00:00Dr. Brown,
You will have to enter my forthcoming ...Dr. Brown,<br /><br />You will have to enter my forthcoming liturgical quiz, or rather my presenting of Mgr. Ronald Knox's little quiz he described as "simple".<br /><br />When antiphons are proper the most likely place to find them is printed in the Office of the day in question.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-9113278968392100042009-12-28T13:01:35.555+00:002009-12-28T13:01:35.555+00:00Thanks Rubricarius but the traditional breviary is...Thanks Rubricarius but the traditional breviary is still rather new to me and I had not seen the rubric for the antiphons for minor offices for first class feasts and since I couldn`t see any indication under the minor offices themselves, I thought it best to ask. I am still grateful to Gregor and Mark for their kind responses. I hope it doesn`t irritate you too much if I ask when I have any other difficulties.Fr Michael Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-61676015770682711122009-12-28T11:14:17.507+00:002009-12-28T11:14:17.507+00:00Mark,
Bah, Humbug!
Everyone who cannot find thei...Mark,<br /><br />Bah, Humbug!<br /><br />Everyone who cannot find their antiphons (in 60% less of a book than it once was) should be boiled in a kettle with their pudding and buried with a stake of holly through their heart.<br /><br />Ebeneezer Rubricarius (with apologies to Mr. Dickens).Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-43249895645624625712009-12-28T09:33:24.177+00:002009-12-28T09:33:24.177+00:00Rubricarius: now now, be nice to Father.Rubricarius: now now, be nice to Father.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-69485707758211306432009-12-27T21:31:05.925+00:002009-12-27T21:31:05.925+00:00Hardly lost.
In the original 1961 Breviary the an...Hardly lost.<br /><br />In the original 1961 Breviary the antiphons Jerusalem etc are found with the texts for the Vigil of the Nativity. Hardly rocket science one would suggest.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-30115014104176025992009-12-24T13:59:28.906+00:002009-12-24T13:59:28.906+00:00Father, try page 64. Antiphons for minor hours fro...Father, try page 64. Antiphons for minor hours from Lauds 24 Dec, in the Proprium de Tempore: 1 at Prime, 2 at Terce, 3 at Sect, FIVE at None.<br /><br />No idea about the Invitatory. I see your dilemma. Let me know if you have luck!Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-46916474615906300912009-12-24T13:51:39.651+00:002009-12-24T13:51:39.651+00:00Dear Father:
ad 1) The antiphons are - as per usu...Dear Father:<br /><br />ad 1) The antiphons are - as per usual on first class days - those of Lauds (if you look at Lauds on p. 64 it says "et per Horas"). That means 1 is used for Prime, 2 for Terce, 3 for Sext and 5 for None.<br /><br />ad 2) That is an actual mistake of the breviary, which will surely be corrected in the next edition. The actual invitatory is "Regem Virginum Dominum * venite adoremus."<br /><br />A merry and blessed Christmas!Gregorhttp://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/noreply@blogger.com