tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post3494068511530536260..comments2023-10-18T14:53:28.622+01:00Comments on Forest Murmurs: What is going on at the Forward in Faith Assembly?Fr Michael Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-28870226694269993212009-11-01T17:54:48.906+00:002009-11-01T17:54:48.906+00:00True Anglo-Catholics had their own missal, Trident...True Anglo-Catholics had their own missal, Tridentine in English, prior to Vatican II. They were evident in the miningh villages of Northumberland and Durham, some using Latin extensively. Newcastle has one Anglo-Catholic church which has had an audience with JPII. They could be found in the poor and dockland parishes as well as the well-to-do areas of London. As has been stated, not to be confused with High Anglicans - users of BCP including 39 Articles.Sixupmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12486627001579821658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-85457909643810433882009-10-28T16:24:08.556+00:002009-10-28T16:24:08.556+00:00I would like to say, Father, that I greatly hope t...I would like to say, Father, that I greatly hope that an Ordinariate will be founded in the UK but I suspect that it will be different from what many expect and others hope for.Peter Porternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-43757963633511874372009-10-28T11:54:28.321+00:002009-10-28T11:54:28.321+00:00I think we should keep in mind that this provision...I think we should keep in mind that this provision was not primarily intended for the Church of England but the 400,000 strong TAC. I`m sure what you say about Anglican congregations is true but I`m sure we will see some outposts of this new ordinariate in England.Fr Michael Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15320336535138538635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-3082972969714053782009-10-28T10:19:31.399+00:002009-10-28T10:19:31.399+00:001569 Rising
I am afraid you are right in thinking...1569 Rising<br /><br />I am afraid you are right in thinking that it will largely be clerics who will accept the Holy Father's invitation to be part of an Ordinariate. It is likely to be a body composed of too many chiefs and not enough Indians. In which case the well-trodden parh of individual submission remains the best point of entry into the Church.<br /><br />I was an Anglo-Catholic layman for half my life and can confirm that the majority of the Anglo-Catholic laity are Anglican first, Anglo-Catholic second and see no reason to become Catholics. Indeed, many repudiate the Church's claims to be the One True Church, asserting that the Church of England is the true Catholic Church in these islands.<br /><br />My fear is that the Holy Father and the officials in Rome do not know or understand the people they are providing for. As in the Malines Conversations of the distant past, they have been influenced by individual Anglicans who have given a false impression of the potential for unity. This is not a confidence trick, but a question of wishful thinking that bears little relationship to reality.<br /><br />A considerable part of me wishes that the Holy Father's invitation will become a reality, but Anglicanism, in whatever form, is a strange beast, and behaves in unexpected ways, not least in its Anglo-Catholic manifestation. Those who truly saw the Catholic Church as the body founded by Jesus Christ and the Papacy as the divinely instituted centre of unity entered years ago and the stream continues. Few, if any, saw Anglicanism as a credible alternative.Peter Porternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-74482563641431512572009-10-26T22:05:03.194+00:002009-10-26T22:05:03.194+00:00David,
Talking to a Churchwarden from North of th...David,<br /><br />Talking to a Churchwarden from North of the Tyne the other day, from a FinF parish. One of the most important facets of the Apostolic Constitution, the idea that vicars could "come over", taking their congregations with them, may not actually happen. He said that his priest would possibly "convert", but my friend doubted very much whether any of the congregation would follow. He gave several reasons, including the rather crucial one, that the congregation in his parish would accept any priest appointed to the parish, and that they were Anglicans first, and followers of a particular priest very much second.<br /><br />If this view is common among High Church congregations, and it may well be, since we have heard very little from the folk in the pews, and plenty from some of the clergy, then the whole point of having Anglican Rite Catholic Priests collapses, since there will be very few Anglican Rite Laity for them to minister to. <br /><br />My own initial enthusiasm is beginning to wear a bit thin on the edges, not just because of my friend's reaction, but because I can see so many problems arising. Also, the average Anglican, even FinF Anglican, knows little of the subtleties of Transubstantiation and Valid or Invalid Orders. <br /><br />I hope I am wrong, but at the end of the day, it will be down to the Holy Spirit.1569 Risingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-9565443462285114902009-10-25T21:10:39.793+00:002009-10-25T21:10:39.793+00:00"what is distinctive enough about Anglicanism..."what is distinctive enough about Anglicanism to justify setting up a ordinariate"<br /><br />Plenty.<br /><br />Anglo-Papalism, on the other hand...<br /><br />It is quite comical to imagine them all being told that they must stop using the Novus Ordo and instead adopt some variation on the Book of Common Prayer.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35539648.post-63400168224353808382009-10-25T10:46:51.336+00:002009-10-25T10:46:51.336+00:00Most importantly, Archbishop Hepworth assured the ...Most importantly, Archbishop Hepworth assured the assembly that they would continue to be able to have married priests by way of dispensations which would be given generously. The early statements on this point were less clear than this. Obviously, this is a bombshell, not just for those gathered but for the entire Latin Rite. <br /><br />If the Holy Father is going to permit the Ordinariate to ordain married men to the priesthood then it logically follows that he will have to abandon the requirement for celibacy for the Latin Rite of the Church.<br /><br />A bombshell indeed!Norahnoreply@blogger.com